Ring and Pinion MFGRs

Yanman · 01-12-2011, 08:30 PM

So every one knows that if you go to 33" tires you go with 4:88 gears and 5:29s with 35s.

But what I want to know is who are the good manufacturers of these ring and pinions?

tacotoy · 01-12-2011, 08:47 PM

mmmm depends on the motor and transmission for your conversion, i have heard/seen of 4.88 for 35's with a 3.4 and auto.... its more by preference, i know that nate runs 5.29's with a true 35 and he loves it. i have also seen and driven 4.88's with 35's and it was a huge improvement over stock.

Yukon and ECGS are the 2 that come to mind

Yanman · 01-12-2011, 08:54 PM

Good point, I keep forgetting the details to better assist those who are trying to help me.

So my '88 has a 3.slow with a 5spd and I'll probably run 35s.

hunter4runner · 01-12-2011, 09:43 PM

yukon #1

ike · 01-12-2011, 10:32 PM

ECGS doesnt make gears.

Persicion is the new hot one to get. Yukons are good as well.

The setup is the important part. I would talk to whoever you are gonna have set up your diffs and get the brand that they get the best patterns with.

orange crusher · 01-13-2011, 09:11 AM

My yukons are awesome! I love them. Mythica turned me on to them. They are so quiet!

Avsfreak1234 · 01-13-2011, 10:32 AM

I got precision from ECGS and had thefatkid set them up. works great so far. beat on em in moab for a week and they did fine. quiet. pulled the diff after a few heat cycles and the pattern looked great (mostly due to setup).

thefatkid · 01-13-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Avsfreak1234

pulled the diff after a few heat cycles and the pattern looked great (mostly due to setup).

Lies!

I like Precision the best, they have the best inital setup pattern. Yukon (not the value line) is on par with Richmond. The yukon value line and genuine can get a decent pattern, though not consistent from tooth to tooth.

I've set up one set of Trail Gear gears, they set up ok, I was not told if they had any abnormal nosie (should not have but you never know). I'd say they were yukon value line quality.

Anyone else making/rebadging gears out there?

ShowStop · 01-13-2011, 11:25 AM

Nitro gears (rumored to be made by Precision) are also good quality.

thefatkid · 01-13-2011, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowStop

Nitro gears (rumored to be made by Precision) are also good quality.

That is right, Nitro. I installed them when I was working at Slee. They were a nice high quality gearset.

**ScottyC** · 01-14-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by thefatkid

That is right, Nitro. I installed them when I was working at Slee. They were a nice high quality gearset.

Every set of Nitro Gears I have set up have been Yukon. The "K" for Korea is a dead giveaway. FWIW, Yukon is cutting gears for a lot of companies these days.

TG is Yukon. Same exact gear as a Nitro Gear. The new G2 gears from 4WP is also the same. They are quality gears. Every one I have setup (likely around 100 sets has been very good patterns.

Asha'man · 01-14-2011, 08:29 PM

Brian set up Nitros when he did my rear diff, have not had even a hint of any problems.

thefatkid · 01-14-2011, 08:46 PM

I remember from back in the day at Slee (almost 5 years now) Nitro had the same markings as Precision. I have not set up a set of Nitro gears in a long time. Normally Slee used Precision untill there was a shortage, I installed a couple of Nitro sets then went back to Precision.

The trail gear set I have right now doesn't match the Yukon sets I have done. The finish on the pinion is different. I'm not sure if they match the value line though.

Wasn't there a US gear brand also? They had some sort of crest stamp on the ring.

I wouldn't be suprised if they all come of the same machine now. Quality control determines who gets what gears and how much they cost. Final finishing could also explain different gear manufactures.

sovereign · 01-18-2011, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShowStop

Nitro gears (rumored to be made by Precision) are also good quality.

ECGS is only sending out Nitro. The other options are gone. Did they do this as a cost cutting measure?

ike · 01-18-2011, 08:05 PM

More than likely. I dont think they are making gears branded precision anymore though also.

Avsfreak1234 · 01-18-2011, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ike

More than likely. I dont think they are making gears branded precision anymore though also.

mine were precision that I got 4 months ago

ike · 01-18-2011, 09:52 PM

Still leftovers. When I regeared the rears were still fairly easy to find, but the fronts were fairly rare.

Volcom · 01-19-2011, 10:24 AM

Mine are Motives. Box said "Made in India". Held up to 39.5" Iroks, dual ultimate crawler, and big big rocks.

sovereign · 01-19-2011, 10:48 AM

bump.

Yanman · 02-24-2011, 03:06 PM

So I'm thinking about getting in on this group buy for some Nitro ring and pinions:

http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.ph...15#post2121815

And I've been quoted $669 for 5.29 front and rear with shipping.

What I want to know is this price a good price or is it out of line and are the Nitros worth the cost.

I did some of my own research and found a place that sells Precision Gears and they go for $160 less than what I've been quoted on this group buy.

mrdoug · 02-24-2011, 03:49 PM

Caution on places that still list Precision gears. I just ordered mine a few weeks ago, ECGS called to tell me they didn't really have any, and that they weren't aware they were still listed as available on their website. They sent me Nitro's for the same cost in replacement.

Just Differentials listed and shipped precision's

I paid:
$190 for a 5.29 e-locker
$225 for 5.29 8.4

that's just gears, not master install kits, which are just as expensive as the gears (or more)

FWIW, when ECGS called me, they mentioned that the percision gears changed towards the end and weren't very high quality. Now, they couln't be more vague about when this happened, what specifically changed or what specifically didn't meet their standards. About the only portion of this that holds any weight is that it was somebody from a (dedicated) gear supplier.

sovereign · 02-24-2011, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrdoug

Caution on places that still list Precision gears. I just ordered mine a few weeks ago, ECGS called to tell me they didn't really have any, and that they weren't aware they were still listed as available on their website. They sent me Nitro's for the same cost in replacement.

Just Differentials listed and shipped precision's

I paid:
$190 for a 5.29 e-locker
$225 for 5.29 8.4

that's just gears, not master install kits, which are just as expensive as the gears (or more)

You returned the Nitros?

mrdoug · 02-24-2011, 04:01 PM

No, I didn't return anything. ECGS saw that I ordered precision and sent me nitro's instead (for the same price).

sovereign · 02-24-2011, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrdoug

No, I didn't return anything. ECGS saw that I ordered precision and sent me nitro's instead (for the same price).

Yes, that is what they told me as well, as mentioned in my post earlier. I haven't ordered yet, though. Still too cold out.

Avsfreak1234 · 02-24-2011, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrdoug

FWIW, when ECGS called me, they mentioned that the percision gears changed towards the end and weren't very high quality. Now, they couln't be more vague about when this happened, what specifically changed or what specifically didn't meet their standards. About the only portion of this that holds any weight is that it was somebody from a (dedicated) gear supplier.

good to know, cant wait for my rear diff to explode now!

ike · 02-24-2011, 06:56 PM

Gear setup is more important than anything for gear life.

Yanman · 02-24-2011, 09:12 PM

But is $669 a decent price for the gears, master install kits, solid spacers?

Never bought gears before, so give a noob a hand.

Check that, I decidied to pass on the group buy and keep putting $ towards the SAS/Lift.

mrdoug · 02-25-2011, 08:08 AM

yes, that's a deal if it comes with the master install kits...

What I just paid for the Master install kit:
elocker: $220
8.4: $231

I did not go with the solid spacer, but I think they are another $20 each

And damn you for making me think and re-think about what I would have saved if I'd waited another 3 weeks.

Volcom · 02-25-2011, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrdoug

I did not go with the solid spacer, but I think they are another $20 each

Are the diffs already built? I'd highly suggest running solid spacers in Toyota diffs.

ajax · 02-25-2011, 09:44 AM

picked up nitros with solid spacers for fzj 80 and there were 700 bucks with 2 toyota master rebuild kits would think mini truck,or tacoma should be lot cheaper since my rear is 9.5 and front is the reverse cut high pin

01-12-2011, 08:54 PM	#3
Yanman Veteran Member My Rig: 88 Hilux Pickup Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Where ever my truck(s) take me Posts: 1,040	Good point, I keep forgetting the details to better assist those who are trying to help me. So my '88 has a 3.slow with a 5spd and I'll probably run 35s. __________________ Its all 88 Hilux Pickup Trail Rig - Build Thread 03 Taco DD

01-12-2011, 10:32 PM	#5
ike Veteran Member My Rig: 1999 tacoma Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Loveland CO Posts: 19,891	ECGS doesnt make gears. Persicion is the new hot one to get. Yukons are good as well. The setup is the important part. I would talk to whoever you are gonna have set up your diffs and get the brand that they get the best patterns with. __________________ Degenerate I like goats 87 cherocar 99 v6 trd taco-some stuff 07 Ninja 650R

01-13-2011, 09:11 AM	#6
orange crusher #1 Member My Rig: 87 runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado area Posts: 2,741	My yukons are awesome! I love them. Mythica turned me on to them. They are so quiet! __________________ 87 runner on 42s "bad luck"

01-13-2011, 11:25 AM	#9
ShowStop Member Dismemberer My Rig: 95.5 Tacoma Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 16,146	Nitro gears (rumored to be made by Precision) are also good quality. __________________ Next Socal TTORA event - Miller Jeep Trail - June 22 www.ttora-socal.com TTORA-Socal on Facebook

01-14-2011, 08:29 PM	#12
Asha'man Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Elbert Posts: 1,357	Brian set up Nitros when he did my rear diff, have not had even a hint of any problems. __________________ - Brian Daily - '97 Tacoma SR5 - 3.4 5spd - stock Rig - '86 4Runner - 22RE 5spd - lifted, locked, geared, 33's, 85% armored Car - '95 Lexus SC400 - 1UZ-FE V8 auto, 3L2, black leather, 222K, coilovers, exhaust, '97+ body, fresh paint Bike - '78 Yamaha XS650 - 13K miles, rescued and titled, restomodded Property Bitch - '85 Xtra cab 2wd - 22R, 5spd, two colors, holds 12 bales of hay

01-12-2011, 08:30 PM	#1
Yanman Veteran Member My Rig: 88 Hilux Pickup Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Where ever my truck(s) take me Posts: 1,040	Ring and Pinion MFGRs So every one knows that if you go to 33" tires you go with 4:88 gears and 5:29s with 35s. But what I want to know is who are the good manufacturers of these ring and pinions? __________________ Its all 88 Hilux Pickup Trail Rig - Build Thread 03 Taco DD

01-12-2011, 09:43 PM	#4
hunter4runner Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,182	yukon #1

01-14-2011, 08:46 PM	#13
thefatkid Veteran Member My Rig: Your Mom Join Date: May 2007 Location: Littleton Posts: 2,178	I remember from back in the day at Slee (almost 5 years now) Nitro had the same markings as Precision. I have not set up a set of Nitro gears in a long time. Normally Slee used Precision untill there was a shortage, I installed a couple of Nitro sets then went back to Precision. The trail gear set I have right now doesn't match the Yukon sets I have done. The finish on the pinion is different. I'm not sure if they match the value line though. Wasn't there a US gear brand also? They had some sort of crest stamp on the ring. I wouldn't be suprised if they all come of the same machine now. Quality control determines who gets what gears and how much they cost. Final finishing could also explain different gear manufactures. __________________ 1996 4runner outfitted with a ton of ARB stuff. Got some Warn Items also 1983 Hilux, nuff said

01-18-2011, 08:05 PM	#15
ike Veteran Member My Rig: 1999 tacoma Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Loveland CO Posts: 19,891	More than likely. I dont think they are making gears branded precision anymore though also. __________________ Degenerate I like goats 87 cherocar 99 v6 trd taco-some stuff 07 Ninja 650R

01-18-2011, 09:52 PM	#17
ike Veteran Member My Rig: 1999 tacoma Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Loveland CO Posts: 19,891	Still leftovers. When I regeared the rears were still fairly easy to find, but the fronts were fairly rare. __________________ Degenerate I like goats 87 cherocar 99 v6 trd taco-some stuff 07 Ninja 650R

01-19-2011, 10:48 AM	#19
sovereign Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 482	bump. __________________ 2002 TOYOTA TACOMA EXT CAB 3.4 4X4 AUTO TRD. 5.29s, ARB RD90, SAW 2.5LT COs w/700# coils, Camburg UCAs, Alcan 8 leaf rear, Bilstein 5125, Tundra brake mod, TOYO M/T 255/85r16, Scangauge II, @ 77k miles Last edited by sovereign; 02-24-2011 at 03:32 PM.

02-24-2011, 03:06 PM	#20
Yanman Veteran Member My Rig: 88 Hilux Pickup Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Where ever my truck(s) take me Posts: 1,040	So I'm thinking about getting in on this group buy for some Nitro ring and pinions: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.ph...15#post2121815 And I've been quoted $669 for 5.29 front and rear with shipping. What I want to know is this price a good price or is it out of line and are the Nitros worth the cost. I did some of my own research and found a place that sells Precision Gears and they go for $160 less than what I've been quoted on this group buy. __________________ Its all 88 Hilux Pickup Trail Rig - Build Thread 03 Taco DD

02-24-2011, 03:49 PM	#21
mrdoug Veteran Member My Rig: 3.4 swapped 85 xcab Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 7,478	Caution on places that still list Precision gears. I just ordered mine a few weeks ago, ECGS called to tell me they didn't really have any, and that they weren't aware they were still listed as available on their website. They sent me Nitro's for the same cost in replacement. Just Differentials listed and shipped precision's I paid: $190 for a 5.29 e-locker $225 for 5.29 8.4 that's just gears, not master install kits, which are just as expensive as the gears (or more) FWIW, when ECGS called me, they mentioned that the percision gears changed towards the end and weren't very high quality. Now, they couln't be more vague about when this happened, what specifically changed or what specifically didn't meet their standards. About the only portion of this that holds any weight is that it was somebody from a (dedicated) gear supplier. __________________ de·gen·er·ate I'm outside your window watching you read this.

02-24-2011, 04:01 PM	#23
mrdoug Veteran Member My Rig: 3.4 swapped 85 xcab Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 7,478	No, I didn't return anything. ECGS saw that I ordered precision and sent me nitro's instead (for the same price). __________________ de·gen·er·ate I'm outside your window watching you read this.

02-24-2011, 06:56 PM	#26
ike Veteran Member My Rig: 1999 tacoma Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Loveland CO Posts: 19,891	Gear setup is more important than anything for gear life. __________________ Degenerate I like goats 87 cherocar 99 v6 trd taco-some stuff 07 Ninja 650R

02-24-2011, 09:12 PM	#27
Yanman Veteran Member My Rig: 88 Hilux Pickup Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Where ever my truck(s) take me Posts: 1,040	But is $669 a decent price for the gears, master install kits, solid spacers? Never bought gears before, so give a noob a hand. Check that, I decidied to pass on the group buy and keep putting $ towards the SAS/Lift. __________________ Its all 88 Hilux Pickup Trail Rig - Build Thread 03 Taco DD Last edited by Yanman; 02-25-2011 at 06:29 AM.

02-25-2011, 08:08 AM	#28
mrdoug Veteran Member My Rig: 3.4 swapped 85 xcab Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Loveland, CO Posts: 7,478	yes, that's a deal if it comes with the master install kits... What I just paid for the Master install kit: elocker: $220 8.4: $231 I did not go with the solid spacer, but I think they are another $20 each And damn you for making me think and re-think about what I would have saved if I'd waited another 3 weeks. __________________ de·gen·er·ate I'm outside your window watching you read this.

02-25-2011, 09:44 AM	#30
ajax Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 357	picked up nitros with solid spacers for fzj 80 and there were 700 bucks with 2 toyota master rebuild kits would think mini truck,or tacoma should be lot cheaper since my rear is 9.5 and front is the reverse cut high pin

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