Donahoe Long Travel w/ Stock Control Arms???

kriznol · 10-17-2006, 01:48 AM

So, I'm wondering if I can run the Donahoe LT's with stock control arms on my '00 Taco. My reasoning for going with LT's over the standard travel model would be to allow myself the option of upgrading the control arms at a later date. Any thoughts on this?

YoTRacer158 · 10-17-2006, 01:50 AM

no

elenex50 · 10-17-2006, 03:54 AM

I think your referring to the extended coilovers. And the answer is no.

miguelitro · 10-17-2006, 09:50 AM

nope but if you buy the regular length Hoes they can convert them to the Extended travel ones later, a good time to get em rebuilt as well. Remember to save your stock Co's for the turnaround on the rebuild/extended conversion.
Mike

jester_motorsports · 10-17-2006, 11:40 AM

Just curious where everyone is getting their info from? I'm running the extended Hoes on my truck with stock uppers. I checked it out with Donahoe themselves prior to ordering them. They said that they don't advertise it like that but that it would be just fine. The only drawback is not getting the extra inch or whatever of travel out of the coilovers. The price was the same and, like the poster of this thread, it gives me the option of upgrading later. I've had no trouble whatsoever in about a year's worth of use.

ben90 · 10-17-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jester_motorsports

Just curious where everyone is getting their info from? I'm running the extended Hoes on my truck with stock uppers. I checked it out with Donahoe themselves prior to ordering them. They said that they don't advertise it like that but that it would be just fine. The only drawback is not getting the extra inch or whatever of travel out of the coilovers. The price was the same and, like the poster of this thread, it gives me the option of upgrading later. I've had no trouble whatsoever in about a year's worth of use.

Interesting. I red somewhere that they could have a negative effect on some components.

But you just said that you haven't found a problem yet.

Cool.

GreenTaco · 10-17-2006, 11:54 AM

There is also a problem of wearing out you upper ball joint, that extra inch of travel is pushing the suspension into angles the stock ball joint can't handle

miguelitro · 10-17-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenTaco

There is also a problem of wearing out you upper ball joint, that extra inch of travel is pushing the suspension into angles the stock ball joint can't handle

that is exactly the problem and why the upper arm is the solution. the upper bj is only designed for a certain amount of travel and the stock co(and Hoe reg travel is built the same length) the after market uca's add +.5" and +.5" down. i think that it is not so much a problem of wearing it out but if you really wheel you will have your wheels going too full droop, sometimes quite roughly which will break that bj.
I'm very surprised Donahoe told jester that, i suppose the sway bar might limit droop enough to make it kinda feasible, but if it was really true would they not advertise the fact?
Mike

kriznol · 10-17-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenTaco

There is also a problem of wearing out you upper ball joint

Yah, I was thinking that might be an issue. But then, if I'm planning on replacing my UCA's down the road, premature wear on my ball joint isn't an issue. Is it? Are there any other components that would get stressed?

I just sent Donahoe an e-mail. I'll post their reply when I hear back.

GreenTaco · 10-17-2006, 01:28 PM

I think the stock ball joint is the major issue, but I wouldn't be surprized to hear that since your maxing out you ball joint that it puts extra stress on your spindle.

miguelitro · 10-17-2006, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kriznol

Yah, I was thinking that might be an issue. But then, if I'm planning on replacing my UCA's down the road, premature wear on my ball joint isn't an issue. Is it? Are there any other components that would get stressed?

I just sent Donahoe an e-mail. I'll post their reply when I hear back.

not just waer it out but break it...

CYi5 · 10-17-2006, 03:49 PM

donahoe told me it was not advisable

TacoDell · 10-17-2006, 05:48 PM

I'm guessing it wouldn't be much of an issue... if you weren't out wheelin' the piss outta it... while yer waiting to install the UCA stuff...

Even tho' D'Hoe doesn't recommend it... You really can't hurt it unless yer using full articulation on the suspension when wheelin'...

If yer going to do the arms in short order... You'd get by if you take it easy... And just run the malls...

editmars · 10-17-2006, 06:29 PM

Just weld a tab for a limit strap. If you go LT you can use it later

kriznol · 10-17-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by editmars

Just weld a tab for a limit strap. If you go LT you can use it later

Damn, that's a great idea! Thanks!

99TACO · 10-17-2006, 08:40 PM

I have had the ext hoes on for about 6 months and have no problems. Donahoe said it should be fine for day to day but not catching air and such. I just back from moab and wheeled the shit out of them and still no problems?

soaz · 10-18-2006, 04:57 PM

No problem. You may see the upper ball joint boot split after sometime if the rubber gets brittle, but that can be replaced. I ran this on my tacoma for a long time with some serious abuse and had no problems.
Balljoints actually get a lot more travel than a uniball as a general rule, but they aren't as strong.
(oh BTW of course DR is going to say no comment or advise against any use of their product outside of the norm. I did the same thing when I worked for DR!)

peekay331 · 10-18-2006, 05:44 PM

nothing will probably happen, especially if you do not wheel hard and get into situations where your front tires are drooped out.

a bunch of people are running around with all-pro style spacers that go on top of the stock coilover, and they aren't breaking left and right.

conclusion-probably not good as a permanent solution, but ok as a temporary situation.

ginobetterfly · 10-23-2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenTaco

There is also a problem of wearing out you upper ball joint, that extra inch of travel is pushing the suspension into angles the stock ball joint can't handle

i wanted to do the same thing, (get extended hoes with stock arms). called donahoe and they told me whats above, and i even emailed them and they told me the same thing, so i got the reg. hoes.

10-17-2006, 01:48 AM	#1
kriznol Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Orygun Posts: 156	Donahoe Long Travel w/ Stock Control Arms??? So, I'm wondering if I can run the Donahoe LT's with stock control arms on my '00 Taco. My reasoning for going with LT's over the standard travel model would be to allow myself the option of upgrading the control arms at a later date. Any thoughts on this?

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10-17-2006, 03:54 AM	#3
elenex50 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Diego/Riverside Posts: 437	I think your referring to the extended coilovers. And the answer is no. __________________ 01 tacoma. & 08 prius.

10-17-2006, 09:50 AM	#4
miguelitro Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: ecuador Posts: 3,712	nope but if you buy the regular length Hoes they can convert them to the Extended travel ones later, a good time to get em rebuilt as well. Remember to save your stock Co's for the turnaround on the rebuild/extended conversion. Mike __________________ Team Bad Habits Don't own one yet but there is nothing but diesel cruisers and tacos down here. "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

10-17-2006, 11:40 AM	#5
jester_motorsports Machinist Extraordinare My Rig: 99 Tacoma Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Edwardsville, IL Posts: 2,161	Just curious where everyone is getting their info from? I'm running the extended Hoes on my truck with stock uppers. I checked it out with Donahoe themselves prior to ordering them. They said that they don't advertise it like that but that it would be just fine. The only drawback is not getting the extra inch or whatever of travel out of the coilovers. The price was the same and, like the poster of this thread, it gives me the option of upgrading later. I've had no trouble whatsoever in about a year's worth of use. __________________ Josh 99 Tacoma

10-17-2006, 11:54 AM	#7
GreenTaco Night Stalker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 527	There is also a problem of wearing out you upper ball joint, that extra inch of travel is pushing the suspension into angles the stock ball joint can't handle __________________ 2000 TRD Prerunner V6 w/ Hoes all around, Camburg Arms, 32 BFG's on American Racing Alloy's, Beard Super Seats, Prerunner Bumper w/ 3 Hella 4000's, Icom V8000, and a lot more good stuff.

10-17-2006, 01:28 PM	#10
GreenTaco Night Stalker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 527	I think the stock ball joint is the major issue, but I wouldn't be surprized to hear that since your maxing out you ball joint that it puts extra stress on your spindle. __________________ 2000 TRD Prerunner V6 w/ Hoes all around, Camburg Arms, 32 BFG's on American Racing Alloy's, Beard Super Seats, Prerunner Bumper w/ 3 Hella 4000's, Icom V8000, and a lot more good stuff.

10-17-2006, 03:49 PM	#12
CYi5 One-Man Bleeder My Rig: 1999 4Runner Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: HB, CA Posts: 2,139	donahoe told me it was not advisable __________________ 1999 Toyota 4Runner Limited 4x4 E-Locked Donahoe Extended Coilovers & Camburg UCA's ~ OME 891 & Icon Resi's ~ 285/75/16 Yokohama A/T-S

10-17-2006, 05:48 PM	#13
TacoDell truck ~n~ tow My Rig: '00 Tacoma Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hemet/SoCal Posts: 10,736	I'm guessing it wouldn't be much of an issue... if you weren't out wheelin' the piss outta it... while yer waiting to install the UCA stuff... Even tho' D'Hoe doesn't recommend it... You really can't hurt it unless yer using full articulation on the suspension when wheelin'... If yer going to do the arms in short order... You'd get by if you take it easy... And just run the malls... __________________ '00 Taco SR5, xtrcab, V6, 5-SP, 4X, and some extras... Truck... ~n~ ...off road action photo's Trailer... Truck build --- Trailer build

10-17-2006, 06:29 PM	#14
editmars Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 371	Just weld a tab for a limit strap. If you go LT you can use it later

10-17-2006, 08:40 PM	#16
99TACO Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 182	I have had the ext hoes on for about 6 months and have no problems. Donahoe said it should be fine for day to day but not catching air and such. I just back from moab and wheeled the shit out of them and still no problems? __________________ Shawn O. www.UT-TTORA.com

10-18-2006, 04:57 PM	#17
soaz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 283	No problem. You may see the upper ball joint boot split after sometime if the rubber gets brittle, but that can be replaced. I ran this on my tacoma for a long time with some serious abuse and had no problems. Balljoints actually get a lot more travel than a uniball as a general rule, but they aren't as strong. (oh BTW of course DR is going to say no comment or advise against any use of their product outside of the norm. I did the same thing when I worked for DR!) __________________ Tim http://www.soaztim.com

10-18-2006, 05:44 PM	#18
peekay331 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 924	nothing will probably happen, especially if you do not wheel hard and get into situations where your front tires are drooped out. a bunch of people are running around with all-pro style spacers that go on top of the stock coilover, and they aren't breaking left and right. conclusion-probably not good as a permanent solution, but ok as a temporary situation. __________________ http://community.webshots.com/user/peekay331 http://community.webshots.com/user/peekay330 2001 D-cab 4x4 TRD 32" BFG AT on 589's King coilovers Alcan springs Bilstein 5150's 1.5 bodylift ARB bumper Demello sliders RDS auxiliary fuel tank/tool box Bel air shell Garmin 2610 gps and Gpsmap 76 Extremeair 3/4 hp knockoff motojackrack

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